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Constant Worlds IV - Headrush (FFA/Team) (4 players)
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----------------------Recent Update----------------------
7/16/2020 - Matchmaker 2.2.0.2 Released
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Changes in version 2.2.0.3a:
Disabled spectators from reporting stats
Updated random color selection
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[19:43] Mogue_OP> sorry taking an ahmed
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[19:45] MasacruAlex> https://youtu.be/fxORav00dR4
[19:47] Klaus in
[19:48] [TDM]NightFury in
[19:48] Klaus> hello everybody i am back
[19:49] Mogue_OP> hey :)
[19:50] Toruk_Makto> hi Santa!
[19:50] Klaus> join 1v1
[19:50] Toruk_Makto> oops, different Klaus. :P
[19:50] Klaus> normal game
[19:51] Klaus> testmap
[19:51] Klaus> shamans rift
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[19:55] [GoD]Spinnifix> +2
[19:58] Toruk_Makto> where are you, Spinnifix
[19:58] [GoD]Spinnifix> germany
[19:58] Toruk_Makto> lol, funny
[19:58] T-Rod> Im gonna revert just to see
[19:58] T-Rod> if theres player
[19:58] Toruk_Makto> I meant what hut
[19:59] Toruk_Makto> can't see ppl
[19:59] [GoD]Spinnifix> shaman game here m8
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[19:59] [GoD]Spinnifix> 4th hut thgo
[19:59] Toruk_Makto> k, nvm
[19:59] T-Rod in
[19:59] T-Rod> wow
[19:59] T-Rod> so many players this side
[19:59] T-Rod> toruk revert man
[19:59] [AsG]Keith52> Rod, get the fuck in here
[19:59] Toruk_Makto> weird
[19:59] [GoD]Spinnifix> host rod
[19:59] T-Rod> Dude toruk we cant even see ppl redxts
[19:59] T-Rod> texts
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[20:00] T-Rod> rofl
[20:00] Toruk_Makto in
[20:00] T-Rod> lmfao
[20:00] Toruk_Makto> wow
[20:00] Toruk_Makto> look at em all
[20:00] T-Rod> seriously such bullshit
[20:00] T-Rod> these
[20:00] T-Rod> updates
[20:00] Toruk_Makto> yeah, why the fuck did i update?
[20:00] T-Rod> me and toruk sitting there
[20:00] T-Rod> hours
[20:00] Toruk_Makto> never again
[20:00] T-Rod> wonering why we´re only
[20:01] T-Rod> wondering
[20:01] IncaWarrior> you can still see chat between versions
[20:01] IncaWarrior> just not huts
[20:01] T-Rod> Naah i couldnt
[20:02] Toruk_Makto> Inca, do you ever actually test your updates before you release them? lol
[20:02] [GoD]Spinnifix> :feelsbanman:
[20:02] IncaWarrior> yes, this one's being tested right now
[20:02] T-Rod> lmfao
[20:02] IncaWarrior> if you don't want to help testing then don't update to the test version
[20:03] Toruk_Makto> I updated because I thought it was ready, not because I wanted to be a beta tester
[20:04] Fistung> cool map but very laggy
[20:04] Mahmut1661_Tas> gg
[20:04] Mahmut1661_Tas> fog
[20:04] Mahmut1661_Tas> fog = lag machine :P
[20:04] Maganha_OP> i cant see ppl
[20:04] Maganha_OP> in huts
[20:04] Maganha_OP> wtf
[20:04] [D]Leaf out
[20:04] [AsG]Drummerdude48> if we could figure out the lag from fog issue itd be awesome
[20:04] [AsG]Keith52> What are you all talking about lol
[20:04] T-Rod> maggy type
[20:04] [D]Leaf in
[20:04] T-Rod> revbert
[20:05] IncaWarrior> you can do !revert if you want the old version
[20:05] Mahmut1661_Tas> our last game
[20:05] [AsG]Drummerdude48> that map was hella fun
[20:05] [D]Leaf> gg!
[20:05] Maganha_OP> ok ty
[20:05] [D]Leaf> Yea I agree that map was awesome
[20:05] [AsG]Keith52> Which map Leaf
[20:05] IncaWarrior> did you try random colors?
[20:05] Mahmut1661_Tas> I love how noone took invis stonehead :lul:
[20:05] [D]Leaf> https://www.popre.net/view_map.php?l=levl3195
[20:05] Mahmut1661_Tas> except me :P
[20:05] [D]Leaf> No we picked teams to try to make a fair matchup
[20:05] [AsG]Keith52> Shaman's rift !
[20:05] [AsG]Keith52> What's this lol
[20:05] T-Rod> that map looks cool leaf
[20:05] Maganha_OP out
[20:05] [D]Leaf> I thought teams were pretty good honestly
[20:06] [AsG]Drummerdude48 out
[20:06] Mahmut1661_Tas> ya
[20:06] [D]Leaf> The lag was so annoying lmao
[20:06] Maganha_OP in
[20:06] [AsG]Keith52> Was it from the fog?
[20:06] [D]Leaf> Inca/Brandan: Fog of war made game unplayable
[20:06] [D]Leaf> Yea
[20:06] [AsG]Keith52> Aye we figured that out pretty quickly
[20:06] [D]Leaf> Map was designed to have fog on
[20:06] T-Rod> Where is every player who were in the game?
[20:06] [AsG]Keith52> Fog unfortunately has a problem rn
[20:06] [D]Leaf> Yea
[20:06] amnesia out
[20:06] IncaWarrior> rendering or network lag?
[20:06] [D]Leaf> I love the new fog mechanic
[20:06] [D]Leaf> so good
[20:06] amnesia in
[20:06] [AsG]Keith52> It's linked to something or w/e and so it individually triggers
[20:06] [D]Leaf> Rendering
[20:06] [AsG]Keith52> Rendering leaf
[20:06] [AsG]Keith52> Inca*
[20:06] Fistung> its like aoe
[20:07] Brandan> IncaWarrior: Fog of war has a known frame drop with >4 players.
[20:07] [AsG]Keith52> It individually triggers with each unit or something
[20:07] IncaWarrior> oh yeah I guess it has to check a lot of units
[20:07] [D]Leaf> Yea it's really awesome
[20:07] [D]Leaf> Fog was 10/10
[20:07] Brandan> http://www.populous3.info/bugs/view.php?id=622
[20:07] [AsG]Keith52> SEVERITY: Minor
[20:07] [AsG]Keith52> WAT
[20:07] [AsG]Keith52> THIS IS A RED ALERT
[20:08] Mahmut1661_Tas> leaf 1 question why was lb off :D?
[20:08] Brandan> No one plays fog
[20:08] [AsG]Keith52> And the space bar thing
[20:08] Fistung> this idea with 1 big base and 4 shamans on each side is really nice
[20:08] Brandan> often
[20:08] [D]SoftwareIsBetter> minor is because nobody plays it
[20:08] [D]Leaf> Brandan: new map is going to be popular
[20:08] [D]Leaf> and it's fog on
[20:08] T-Rod> +5 to test shaman rift
[20:08] Ossur1> 'kisses Software*
[20:08] [D]Leaf> I dont see you in a hut trod
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[20:08] T-Rod> ye we havethis side like 20 ppl in huts
[20:08] Brandan> Welp. Sounds like an issue to fix at a later point.
[20:08] Fistung in
[20:08] T-Rod> u guys need to type ! revert
[20:08] IncaWarrior> or update
[20:08] Fistung> lb would be op
[20:08] Eddieah in
[20:08] IncaWarrior> to test random players
[20:08] [D]Leaf> Yea lb would be too much
[20:09] [D]Leaf> was good with flat imo
[20:09] Mahmut1661_Tas> I see
[20:09] Fistung> if youu place a lb stonehead in the mid lane it would be an idea
[20:09] Mahmut1661_Tas> anyway you guys enjoyed my volc x) ?
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[20:10] [GoD]Spinnifix> sewc
[20:10] Fistung> i didnt see your shaman cause of lag
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[20:10] Fistung> no way to prevent this
[20:10] T-Rod> type !revert
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[20:12] [D]Leaf> I think we need to play with fog off unfortunately
[20:12] IncaWarrior> why did you update if you weren't going to test the issue?
[20:12] [D]Leaf> idk?
[20:12] [D]Leaf> You said to update
[20:12] Shoka_Blyat_TaS> :kekw:
[20:12] [D]Leaf> We ended up testing the new map instead
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[20:13] IncaWarrior> can you test 4 people random at least?
[20:13] Toruk_Makto> Yeah leaf, he gave me the same shit.
[20:13] [D]Leaf> Yea we'll test it when we get a good chance to
[20:14] [D]Leaf> Kinda hard to wrangle people just to do a test like that
[20:14] IncaWarrior> since it's 4v4 you could have one side be random
[20:14] IncaWarrior> the others not
[20:14] [D]Leaf> That's a cool feature
[20:14] IncaWarrior> then the teams would be fair still
[20:14] [D]Leaf> Ok sure
[20:14] [D]Leaf> Trod you wanna do that?
[20:14] Maganha_OP> brb 10min guys
[20:15] [D]Leaf> Oh also, Inca/Brandan: The game lagged out again. But it was already over so it was nbd this time
[20:15] [GoD]Spinnifix> k
[20:15] [AsG]Keith52> It's always a big deal Leaf
[20:15] Fistung> this map would be also funny without any mapchanging spells
[20:15] [D]Leaf> No eq no flatten you mean?
[20:15] IncaWarrior> can you help me get logs if that happens?
[20:15] [AsG]Keith52> Inca; Severity: Massive/Major/TOTAL DISASTER
[20:15] Fistung> yes
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[20:15] [D]Leaf> Inca: Sure, how to do that?
[20:15] [D]Leaf> https://www.popre.net/game.php?id=425255
[20:15] [TDM]Ahmed out
[20:15] IncaWarrior> I need the host, the player that quit, and a player that lagged out to do !sendlog in the mm after
[20:16] [TDM]Ahmed in
[20:16] [D]Leaf> Well my mm crashes every beta game I host
[20:16] [D]Leaf> so no I cant XD
[20:17] [D]Leaf> I tried it now, did it work?
[20:17] IncaWarrior> it sent a log
[20:18] IncaWarrior> not very helpful though since it clears when you restart the mm
[20:18] [TDM]Ahmed> cant see anyyone on huts anymore
[20:18] [D]Leaf> Right
[20:18] [D]Leaf> so then I cant help you fix the lag outs bug until the mm crash bug is fixed?
[20:18] [TDM]Ahmed out
[20:19] [D]SoftwareIsBetter> mm freezing/crashing is classic feature nowwwww
[20:19] [TDM]Ahmed in
[20:19] IncaWarrior> would be great if you could figure out why that happens
[20:19] GeoHarr> My brother is online but can't see anyone in the lobby yet I can - anyone know how to fix that please?
[20:20] [D]Leaf> Would be great if I could figure it out?
[20:20] [D]Leaf> lolwut
[20:20] [D]Leaf> I play game, I leave game, mm crashes
[20:20] IncaWarrior> I assume it must be a file system thing
[20:20] Taity-mini in
[20:21] [D]Leaf> Well how would i go about figuring that out
[20:21] IncaWarrior> but I dunno, it doesn't send a log like it does when it freezes in some cases
[20:21] [D]SoftwareIsBetter> memory dump would help?
[20:21] IncaWarrior> not really
[20:21] [D]SoftwareIsBetter> GeoHarr relogin?
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[20:22] [D]Leaf> idk how you can make it my issue to figure out when I didnt write the code. Makes no sense. But I'm happy to help you figure it out if there's something I can do
[20:22] GeoHarr> Thanks Software, didn't seem to make a difference sadly
[20:22] [D]Leaf> use procmon or something
[20:22] Eddieah out
[20:22] Toruk_Makto> Inca, yesterday you were a spy, today you're a brave. What happened?
[20:23] Eddieah in
[20:23] IncaWarrior> I got worse I guess
[20:23] [D]SoftwareIsBetter> tried running mm as admin?
[20:23] Toruk_Makto> I didn't think you played anymore?
[20:23] [D]Leaf> I haven't
[20:23] [D]Leaf> I can give that a go
[20:23] [D]SoftwareIsBetter> restarting PC/network
[20:23] [D]Leaf> This has been an issue for months
[20:24] [D]Leaf> Well I g2g eat dinner now. I'll try running as admin next beta game I host
[20:24] [D]Leaf> Inca/Brandan: If there's anything else you can think for me to try that would help, let me know
[20:25] [D]Leaf> If we solve the mm crash issue then I'll do !sendlog and help with the lag outs issue
[20:25] [D]Leaf> Or change the code for !sendlog so it doesnt reset when my mm crashes
[20:25] [D]Leaf> Or remove spacebar as a way to exit beta games and we dont have to do any of this ;)
[20:26] Brandan> Don't even know if space bar is even the issue.
[20:26] Brandan> Highly doubt it
[20:26] MIBbel in
[20:26] [GoD]Spinnifix> +1
[20:26] [D]SoftwareIsBetter> i can send you guys the script that disables LOSS/WIN
[20:26] IncaWarrior> that's like if we fixed the tower dismantle crash by disabling removing plans
[20:26] Brandan> If that's even the issue
[20:26] [D]SoftwareIsBetter> even if you have 0 pop you wont get the "press space bar"
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[20:26] GeoHarr out
[20:28] [D]Kindergarten_Baby> :ok:
[20:28] T-Rod> Gonna eat
[20:29] Eddieah in
[20:30] GeoHarr in
[20:30] Maganha_OP> i was afk
[20:30] T-Rod> yoo maggy stream
[20:30] GeoHarr> Anyone else got any suggestions for not being able to see anyone in the lobby? Thanks
[20:30] T-Rod> TYPE !REVERT
[20:30] IncaWarrior> GeoHarr: for who?
[20:30] GeoHarr> My brother
[20:31] [D]SoftwareIsBetter> oh
[20:31] IncaWarrior> who's your brother?
[20:31] [D]SoftwareIsBetter> he is on newer version
[20:31] [GoD]Spinnifix> crasged
[20:31] [D]SoftwareIsBetter> he should type !revert as T-Rod said
[20:31] Fistung> if you have the update which have not the others
[20:31] Fistung> you cannot see them
[20:31] GeoHarr> Type that in the chat?
[20:31] T-Rod> yeas
[20:31] IncaWarrior> who is your brother?
[20:31] GeoHarr> Eddieah
[20:31] Eddieah> I am
[20:32] Eddieah out
[20:32] T-Rod> eddieah type !revert
[20:32] IncaWarrior> ok
[20:32] Eddieah in
[20:32] GeoHarr> It's kicked him out, he's logging in again
[20:32] Eddieah> I can see people hosting
[20:32] Eddieah> thanks all for your help
[20:32] GeoHarr> Legends! Thanks
[20:37] [GoD]Shogun in
[20:38] Ossur1> i guess matt quit pop altogether?
[20:39] Ossur1> Arcana get in my hut now!
[20:39] Ossur1> Joking m8
[20:40] Arcana out
[20:40] [D]Leaf> T-Rod - MapPack: OK
[20:40] [D]Leaf> wut
[20:40] [D]Leaf> T-Rod - MapPack: OK
[20:40] Arcana in
[20:40] [D]Leaf> Trod stop mappack oking me
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[20:41] Ossur1> 'huts leaf'
[20:41] Ossur1> hugs*
[20:41] [D]Leaf> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/676305563365146633/733770463553257552/unknown.png
[20:42] [D]Leaf> thanks lol
[20:42] [D]Leaf> omg there's more if I scroll up
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[20:43] Ossur1> hey bond
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[20:44] [D]Leaf> Inca/Brandan: I'm saying disable spacebar would at least confirm if spacebar is the issue. If we still get lag outs after it's disabled we can confirm that's not the problem and then put it back on. Seems like a good way to make progress on the issue
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[20:45] Brandan> No ones complained about the issue for 3 months until today.
[20:45] Brandan> So no it wouldn't.
[20:45] IncaWarrior> yesterday
[20:45] [D]Leaf> I said it on #support on 7/14
[20:45] IncaWarrior> this week
[20:45] [D]Leaf> Yea
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[20:45] Brandan> Yeah you said it was "back"
[20:45] Brandan> like it was fixed for a while.
[20:46] [D]Leaf> It seemed like it was fixed
[20:46] [D]Leaf> you said it was fixed
[20:46] Brandan> Eventhough nothing changed for 2 months.
[20:46] [D]Leaf> And not a lot of beta games were getting played
[20:46] IncaWarrior> but disabling space won't get us any closer to fixing it
[20:46] IncaWarrior> it would just make it impossible to debug further
[20:46] [D]Leaf> Then suddenly I started hosting a ton of beta games again and a large percentage of them were crashing again. Seemingly due to the spacebar issue
[20:46] Kassaze in
[20:46] Brandan> That you suspect is because of the spacebar.
[20:47] Brandan> not because of it.
[20:47] [D]Leaf> Even though my first beta game I hosted since I started hosting them again was an 8p ffa that people left using spacebar that didnt lag out
[20:47] Brandan> It's unknown what causes it.
[20:47] [D]Leaf> suspect
[20:47] [D]Leaf> yea
[20:47] [D]Leaf> Cause unknown
[20:47] [D]Leaf> agreed
[20:47] Brandan> it could be something completely unrelated.
[20:47] [D]Leaf> Yea
[20:47] Kassaze out
[20:47] T-Rod> wow spin streamin with webcam too :nice:
[20:47] [D]Leaf> Well, it seems related to a player leaving
[20:47] T-Rod> i mean keith
[20:47] [D]Leaf> Ok, well if not disabling spacebar then how to progress?
[20:48] IncaWarrior> people could test it
[20:48] [D]Leaf> Test what? spacebar?
[20:48] IncaWarrior> to confirm what actions cause it
[20:48] IncaWarrior> yes, space, esc->quit
[20:48] [D]Leaf> Alright I'll see if we can do that
[20:48] IncaWarrior> and sending logs
[20:48] [D]Leaf> Me and Keith confirmed back a few months ago is was 100% consistent with spacebar
[20:48] [D]Leaf> but you think to have fixed it since then
[20:48] [D]Leaf> So let's give it another test
[20:49] IncaWarrior> if you could alt-tab and do !sendlog, that would help me
[20:49] IncaWarrior> assuming that works
[20:49] [D]Leaf> alt-tab before exiting the game so my mm doesnt crash?
[20:49] amnesia out
[20:49] IncaWarrior> yes
[20:49] [D]Leaf> Yea, I can do that
[20:49] [D]Leaf> And you want logs from someone who lagged out as well
[20:50] [D]Leaf> that part will be easy
[20:50] IncaWarrior> yes, and ideally the person that quit
[20:50] [D]Leaf> That might be harder, but I'll try
[20:51] Taity-mini> join
[20:51] Minibot_UK> Taity-mini: You need to be in a hut
[20:51] Taity-mini> host
[20:51] [D]Leaf> For the fog issue, could you make the script less intensive by simply having it now check units already within cleared fog area?
[20:51] [D]Leaf> maybe less accurate, but at least would be useable
[20:52] [D]Leaf> having it not** check
[20:52] [D]SoftwareIsBetter> brandan said it's not an issue